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	<title>Comments on: The social media side of prop 8</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stringer</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Stringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess I should clarify my thought: if a Utahn had registered it then having WHOIS point you to Utah is a given without private registration ...unless... we all know that a hosting provider could be located in any state, even Utah, so the argument that it&#039;s a Utah thing is totally unprovable. But, that would just make it peculiar that they chose Utah to host and have private registration in Utah.  Either way, I hear ya, Pete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess I should clarify my thought: if a Utahn had registered it then having WHOIS point you to Utah is a given without private registration &#8230;unless&#8230; we all know that a hosting provider could be located in any state, even Utah, so the argument that it&#8217;s a Utah thing is totally unprovable. But, that would just make it peculiar that they chose Utah to host and have private registration in Utah.  Either way, I hear ya, Pete.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattso</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting... private WHOIS registration is very common these days, so I am surprised whatisprop8.com would have Utah registration.  That&#039;s really odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting&#8230; private WHOIS registration is very common these days, so I am surprised whatisprop8.com would have Utah registration.  That&#8217;s really odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete McFerrin</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete McFerrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mattso, I realize the importance of base motivation in politics, but don&#039;t you think that taking this online is just expanding the echo chamber?  The brilliant political theorist and constitutional scholar Cass Sunstein had a great article in The New Republic recently about the subject of blogs&#039; and webboards&#039; role in creating hyperpolarized opinions; aren&#039;t these videos and Facebook groups just an example of this?

Also, it&#039;s kinda pitiful that nobody thought to register whatisprop8.com using an address in California, to at least put a fig leaf on it being a wholly LDS-financed operation.  A WHOIS search shows it registered to an address in Orem with an 801 phone number.  That kind of laziness shows serious contempt for the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mattso, I realize the importance of base motivation in politics, but don&#8217;t you think that taking this online is just expanding the echo chamber?  The brilliant political theorist and constitutional scholar Cass Sunstein had a great article in The New Republic recently about the subject of blogs&#8217; and webboards&#8217; role in creating hyperpolarized opinions; aren&#8217;t these videos and Facebook groups just an example of this?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s kinda pitiful that nobody thought to register whatisprop8.com using an address in California, to at least put a fig leaf on it being a wholly LDS-financed operation.  A WHOIS search shows it registered to an address in Orem with an 801 phone number.  That kind of laziness shows serious contempt for the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattso</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Pete.  I&#039;m not an expert, but perhaps persuasion might not be the intent of having those videos out there all the time.  Sometimes when you&#039;re campaigning you simply need to get your message out to remind your base about the election itself - because they already know how that base is going to vote anyways.  What&#039;s the voting percentage of the population in general anyway?  Sheesh, whatever it is, seems nobody votes!  But, really, what do I know?  I&#039;m not a political scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Pete.  I&#8217;m not an expert, but perhaps persuasion might not be the intent of having those videos out there all the time.  Sometimes when you&#8217;re campaigning you simply need to get your message out to remind your base about the election itself &#8211; because they already know how that base is going to vote anyways.  What&#8217;s the voting percentage of the population in general anyway?  Sheesh, whatever it is, seems nobody votes!  But, really, what do I know?  I&#8217;m not a political scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete McFerrin</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete McFerrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another thing: these YouTube videos aren&#039;t gonna persuade anyone who isn&#039;t an alumnus of Brigham Young University.  They are, quite frankly, bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another thing: these YouTube videos aren&#8217;t gonna persuade anyone who isn&#8217;t an alumnus of Brigham Young University.  They are, quite frankly, bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

Thanks for dropping by my place.  I&#039;ve replied over there, so what follows may not be new ...

What I&#039;m calling &#039;spam&#039; are the numerous comments and blogs made by Mormons that suggest no effort on the part of the authors beyond simply copying-and-pasting church-provided material.

If you feel evidence is lacking, I&#039;d point you to the hundreds of Mormon blogs that list six dire consequences if Prop 8 is defeated. Not five, not seven, never more, never less, but always the same six.

Or, I could point you to the slew of comments made by Mormons online since the October 8th satellite transmission from LDS HQ that parrot the terminology and arguments made by the Mormon leadership during that broadcast.

I mention whatisprop8.com because whenever I see a blog or comment that includes a link or reference to that site, it&#039;s a dead giveaway that the author is Mormon. As online campaign strategies go, telling your members to always include a reference to the same Mormon-authored website is kinda boneheaded. It reinforces the perception among non-Mormon readers that the Mormon church has basically taken over the Prop 8 campaign. Of course, you have, in fact, taken over the Prop 8 campaign, but I just don&#039;t understand why you&#039;d adopt a tactic that makes your dominance of the campaign even more obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Thanks for dropping by my place.  I&#8217;ve replied over there, so what follows may not be new &#8230;</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m calling &#8216;spam&#8217; are the numerous comments and blogs made by Mormons that suggest no effort on the part of the authors beyond simply copying-and-pasting church-provided material.</p>
<p>If you feel evidence is lacking, I&#8217;d point you to the hundreds of Mormon blogs that list six dire consequences if Prop 8 is defeated. Not five, not seven, never more, never less, but always the same six.</p>
<p>Or, I could point you to the slew of comments made by Mormons online since the October 8th satellite transmission from LDS HQ that parrot the terminology and arguments made by the Mormon leadership during that broadcast.</p>
<p>I mention whatisprop8.com because whenever I see a blog or comment that includes a link or reference to that site, it&#8217;s a dead giveaway that the author is Mormon. As online campaign strategies go, telling your members to always include a reference to the same Mormon-authored website is kinda boneheaded. It reinforces the perception among non-Mormon readers that the Mormon church has basically taken over the Prop 8 campaign. Of course, you have, in fact, taken over the Prop 8 campaign, but I just don&#8217;t understand why you&#8217;d adopt a tactic that makes your dominance of the campaign even more obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stringer</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Stringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chino,

(My comment here is lifted verbatim from the comment I left on your blog, FYI).  Thank you for leaving a comment on my blog. I would like to respond to your &quot;mormon spammers&quot; remark. I&#039;m not so certain you can logically equate individuals leaving original comments on websites, forums, or blogs, to actual spamming. Spamming is a complicated, and I&#039;m certain, illegal process requiring software, bots, or special scripts, with many negative ramifications for the Internet in general.

If whatisprop8.com wishes to inform people who are supportive of prop 8 on how to get out their message to other blogs and blog users, to, essentially, engage in the conversation that is going on in all this social media space, then that&#039;s perfectly acceptable social behavior.

Nevertheless, thank you for your comment. I am intelligent enough to grasp that your &#039;spamming&#039; metaphor comes from a place of resentment towards the LDS Church&#039;s and individual Latter-day Saints&#039; desire to promote prop 8. But, it&#039;s just not spamming. Plain and simple. For your metaphor to even work, you&#039;d have to assume that any Mormon who reads whatisprop8 is going to automagically turnaround and start blasting comments all over the web. That&#039;s just not true. You and I both know people do whatever the heck they wish.

Anyway, thanks again. I&#039;d love to hear back from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chino,</p>
<p>(My comment here is lifted verbatim from the comment I left on your blog, FYI).  Thank you for leaving a comment on my blog. I would like to respond to your &#8220;mormon spammers&#8221; remark. I&#8217;m not so certain you can logically equate individuals leaving original comments on websites, forums, or blogs, to actual spamming. Spamming is a complicated, and I&#8217;m certain, illegal process requiring software, bots, or special scripts, with many negative ramifications for the Internet in general.</p>
<p>If whatisprop8.com wishes to inform people who are supportive of prop 8 on how to get out their message to other blogs and blog users, to, essentially, engage in the conversation that is going on in all this social media space, then that&#8217;s perfectly acceptable social behavior.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, thank you for your comment. I am intelligent enough to grasp that your &#8216;spamming&#8217; metaphor comes from a place of resentment towards the LDS Church&#8217;s and individual Latter-day Saints&#8217; desire to promote prop 8. But, it&#8217;s just not spamming. Plain and simple. For your metaphor to even work, you&#8217;d have to assume that any Mormon who reads whatisprop8 is going to automagically turnaround and start blasting comments all over the web. That&#8217;s just not true. You and I both know people do whatever the heck they wish.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again. I&#8217;d love to hear back from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting tired of seeing these Mormon spambots everywhere.

Anytime you see www.whatisprop8.com, you know it&#039;s coming from a member of the LDS church.

Head over and check out “How to Blog About Prop 8″ at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whatisprop8.com/how-to-blog-about-prop-8.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.whatisprop8.com/how-to-blog-about-prop-8.html&lt;/a&gt; …

It’s basically a primer for Mormons on how to become Latter Day Spammers.

A quick check of the comments sections under the news articles that turn up from a search for Prop 8 terms reveals numerous drive-by comments with convoluted &quot;Yes on 8 = tolerance&quot; arguments and always accompanied by a link to www.whatisprop8.com ...

This approach reminds me of some of the stuff I saw getting tried during the Romney campaign. In the current campaign, I don’t think such tactics are well-suited for the target voters the Yes on 8 campaign needs if they’re going to actually win this thing. Californians who’d be persuaded by such obvious tactics are more than likely either not going to vote or are already planning to vote Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting tired of seeing these Mormon spambots everywhere.</p>
<p>Anytime you see <a href="http://www.whatisprop8.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatisprop8.com</a>, you know it&#8217;s coming from a member of the LDS church.</p>
<p>Head over and check out “How to Blog About Prop 8″ at <a href="http://www.whatisprop8.com/how-to-blog-about-prop-8.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatisprop8.com/how-to-blog-about-prop-8.html</a> …</p>
<p>It’s basically a primer for Mormons on how to become Latter Day Spammers.</p>
<p>A quick check of the comments sections under the news articles that turn up from a search for Prop 8 terms reveals numerous drive-by comments with convoluted &#8220;Yes on 8 = tolerance&#8221; arguments and always accompanied by a link to <a href="http://www.whatisprop8.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatisprop8.com</a> &#8230;</p>
<p>This approach reminds me of some of the stuff I saw getting tried during the Romney campaign. In the current campaign, I don’t think such tactics are well-suited for the target voters the Yes on 8 campaign needs if they’re going to actually win this thing. Californians who’d be persuaded by such obvious tactics are more than likely either not going to vote or are already planning to vote Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattso</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kenny!</description>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://nerdacumen.com/the-social-media-savvy-side-of-a-campaign-to-protect-marriage/2008/10/09/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the shout out, mattso! long live new media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the shout out, mattso! long live new media</p>
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